A Historic Debate... Does God exist?

The following is a "debate" that took place during a professor's lecture. I had heard this story before, but I just learned that it was a true story and found out who the student was that drove home the point. But that is the reward of reading the WHOLE thing...
"Let me explain the problem science has with religion." The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new students to stand. "You're a Christian, aren't you, son?" "Yes sir," the student says. "So you believe in God?" "Absolutely." "Is God good?" "Sure! God's good." "Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?" "Yes." "Are you good or evil?" "The Bible says I'm evil." The professor grins knowingly. "Aha! The Bible!" He considers for a moment, "Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?" "Yes sir, I would." "So you're good!" "I wouldn't say that." "But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if you could. Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't." The student does not answer, so the professor continues. "He doesn't, does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Hmm m? Can you answer that one?" The student remains silent. "No, you can't, can you?" the professor says. He takes a sip of water from glass on his desk to give the student time to relax. "Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?" "Er...yes," the student says. "Is Satan good?" The student doesn't hesitate on this one, "No." "Then where does Satan come from?" The student falters, "From God." "That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son. Is there evil in this world?" "Yes, sir." "Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything, correct?" "Yes." "So who created evil?" The professor continued, "If God created everything, then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to the principle that our works define who we are, then God is evil." Again, the student has no answer. "Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things, do they exist in this world?" The student squirms on his feet. "Yes." "So who created them?" The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his question, "Who created them?" There is still no answer. Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace in front of the classroom. The class is mesmerized. "Tell me," he continues onto another student. "Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?" The student's voice betrays him and cracks. "Yes, professor, I do." The old man stops pacing, "Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?" "No sir. I've never seen Him." "Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your Jesus? Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God for that matter?" "No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't." "Yet you still believe in him?" "Yes." "According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your God doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?" "Nothing," the student replies. "I only have my faith." "Yes, faith," the professor repeats. "And that is the problem science has with God. There is no evidence, only faith." The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a question of His own."Professor, is there such thing as heat?" "Yes," the professor replies. "There's heat." "And is there such a thing as cold?" "Yes, son, there's cold too." "No sir, there isn't." The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested. The room suddenly becomes very quiet. The student begins to explain... "You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, unlimited heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don't have anything called 'cold'. We can hit up to 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold; otherwise we would be able to go colder than the lowest -458 degrees." "Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (-458 F) is the total absence of heat. You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it." Silence across the room . A pen drops somewhere in the classroom, sounding like a hammer. "What about darkness, professor. Is there such a thing as darkness?" "Yes," the professor replies without hesitation. "What is night if it isn't darkness?" "You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light, but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and its called darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the word. In reality, darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?" The professor begins to smile at the student in front of him. This will be a good semester. "So what point are you making, young man?" "Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to start with, and so your conclusion must also be flawed." The professor's face cannot hide his surprise this time, "Flawed? Can you explain how?" "You are working on the premise of duality," the student explains. "You argue that there is life and then there's death; a good God and a bad god. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought." "It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it. Now tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?" "If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes, of course I do." "Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?" The professor begins to shake his head , still smiling, as he realizes where the argument is going. A very good semester, indeed. "Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a preacher?" The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the commotion has subsided. "To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, let me give you an example of what I mean." The student looks around the room, "Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the professor's brain?" The class breaks out into laughter. "Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain, felt the professor's brain, touched or smelt the professor's brain? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, with all due respect, sir. So if science says you have no brain, how can we trust your lectures, sir?" Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the student, his face unreadable. Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers, "I guess you'll have to take them on faith." "Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists with life," the student continues, "Now, sir, is there such a thing as evil?" Now uncertain, the professor responds, "Of course, there is. We see it everyday. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These manifestations are nothing else but evil." To this the student replied, "Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light." The professor sat down. The student was Albert Einstein!
Something that I found very interesting about this lecture, was that Einstein said, "Darkness is not something; it is the absence of something." I mentioned in my WFW that God is light, or to be more specific, "God is light, and in Him there is no darkness at all." Therefore, in the spiritual sense, darkness is the absence of God, and that is the point that was made in conclusion! I also found it interesting that earlier in his lecture the professor said: "Yes, faith. And that is the problem science has with God. There is no evidence, only faith." And later, Einstein challenges him: "So if science says you have no brain, how can we trust your lectures, sir?" And the professor responds with: "I guess you'll have to take them on faith." It seems that this is the problem with evolution these days -- it is based solely on faith. No one has ever seen a dog produce a non-dog, even though micro-evolution (small variations within a kind) does happen. Yet they will attest to it like they've seen it with their own eyes, when, in fact, they have not -- "The Big Bang happened!" "Where you there?" "Well, no... but it DID happen!" In my opinion, then, it is utterly ridiculous, not to mention unfair, to turn around and accuse the Christian of basing his/her beliefs on faith alone. There were so many other good points in this lecture, too... and that's why I thought it was fascinating. What do you think?


  1. Wow; that was (shall we say) enlightening!

    I, too, have heard this story before, but it was good to read it again.

  2. I just love this story. When I read it years ago, the version I saw was much more brief, and I'd heard that it was urban legend. But whether Einstein said it or not, it's all quite true.

    What gets my goat is the snobby retort, "According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your God doesn't exist." If those rules truly existed, science would be no more than the study of what one can immediately sense at the moment! Ridiculous! That's not science, that's akin to hedonism! Unfortunately, so many half-intellectuals truly believe in this drivel. Quite unfortunate!

    Good post. I'm going to Stumble it.

  3. Thanks for commenting, guys.

    Alice -- glad you like it. It's funny that you said "enlightning"... I almost labeled this post "In 'Light' of my last post" but I decided against it. :)

    Cato --- THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU for Stumbling my post! It means so much to me... and it's a first-timer! :)
    And, yeah, that snobby reply gets me, too; if science deals with what we can sense right now, then I would ask, How can this so-called "science" of evolution be tested (as any theory should be before it can be considered science), since it deals with what happened in the past, before we humans got here to sense it? Add to that this question: Since when is evolution demonstrable? How can one demonstrate what they weren't there to see in the first place (and therefore they can't know that it actually did take place and how it came to be)?
    Thanks again!

  4. The story is NOT true, at least as far as the attribution to Einstein.

  5. Technically, Science has proven some form of a creator through
    The Laws of Bio-Genesis and Thermodynamics among other Scientific Laws.

    There is however much debate between "Bio-Genesis" and "A bio-Genesis" However until i see a Rock (non-living) become an animal (living) i probably will continue to see "A-Bio-genesis", the Big Bang Theory and Evolution as Just theories.
    There is also much Debate between "evolution" And "Creation" Some claim we evolved from monkeys, and slim, But the DNA structure and details of the human body Deny this aspect of the Evolutionary Theory. while others argue about "creation" being a fact when deformities are so widely presented.

    I myself am a very logical, and factual, scientific person, But would like to know that Jesus was an actual person, i need something more stable to ground my belief in God. However it does make a few
    good key points but i need something more than just a story that could be fact or fiction.
    either way, good job


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